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eBay fraud probe could take months

30/07/2008 1:27:00 PM
It could be months before police can unravel the spectacular collapse of one of the biggest Australian sellers on eBay, which left hundreds of users out of pocket hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Despite setting up a special PayPal fund to help some of the burned buyers with refunds, eBay has been criticised for not acting to remove the company's account earlier.

eBay users say they warned the auction site of problems with EBS International as early as 2006.

A group of disgruntled sellers say the auction site set up the special fund only to avoid being sued for negligence for allowing the company to continue selling on the site despite complaints.

EBS International, which sold items including exercise equipment, furniture and bikes on eBay under the name ebusiness-supplies, went into administration on Friday.

SV Partners, the company's liquidators, said it was being inundated with calls from eBay users seeking to be added to the list of creditors and would not be able to start its formal investigation for weeks.

Detective Senior Constable Michelle Cavanagh, a member of the fraud squad at Queensland Police, said she was waiting for advice from the liquidator to determine whether any criminality was involved. The fraud department had received 16 complaints so far, she said.

The list of people affected by the collapse of the company continues to balloon.

Yesterday, more than 450 people - who bought items from the seller at heavily discounted prices in the lead-up to its collapse - had left negative feedback for the seller.

Today, the number of negative feedback comments left in the past month sits at more than 650 and eBay has finally decided to disable the company's user account. But the tales of woe from hundreds of disgruntled users remain visible on the seller's feedback page.

In the three months before its collapse, ebusiness-supplies, the seventh biggest Australian eBay user in terms of the number of items sold, sold more than $1 million worth of goods. Most of those goods weren't delivered and the buyers have been left scrambling for their money.

Directors of EBS International, who recently relocated to China, have told liquidators that the company collapsed because an agent in China took the company's money without delivering goods.

But a large eBay seller who competed with ebusiness-supplies believes the collapse is suspect. The seller, who did not want to be named, said EBS International changed its product mix before its demise to favour large value items and sold them at prices below cost.

He said he purchased from the same Chinese factories as EBS International and did not accept the agent excuse because EBS International dealt only with factories directly.

PayPal managing director Andrew Pipolo set up a special PayPal fund to deal with this incident and said everyone who paid for items using PayPal would be entitled to refunds.

But those who paid using other methods such as a bank deposit or credit card must now rely on their banks and the liquidators to help them get their money back.

Before its demise, EBS International was selling items on a "pre-sale" basis, promising to deliver goods within 30 days.

PayPal's own rules state that, to offer PayPal as a payment option, sellers must guarantee delivery of pre-sale items within 20 days.

The loophole - and the fact that EBS International's PayPal account was soon emptied - meant many buyers were not entitled to refunds under PayPal's buyer protection program, despite a buyer protection logo being included in EBS International's listings. Furthermore, many of the bikes sold by the company are not covered by buyer protection because they are classed as vehicles.

Robert Vandermeer, who represents a coalition of eBay sellers, said PayPal only set up the special fund to reimburse buyers who lost their PayPal payments so it would not be legally liable for negligence.

"We will now have our lawyers look at the legality of the EBS listings and eBay's actions and inactions since then to explore the potential for a class action for sellers who used other than PayPal to pay EBS," he said.

"There's a growing case for negligence against eBay - this happened before their wide-open eyes."

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Not happy Jan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! purchased and paid for 1 x infared sauna 16/6/08 $1365.00 which included postage & handling by auction. I once again have to agree to your terms and conditions, but it's a shame the seller doesn't have to abide by your terms and conditions We await your reply
Posted by snipet68 on 30/07/2008 4:57:08 PM
ebay and PayPal are only out to make MONEY, they don't care about the buyers. I have made about ten complaints to ebay and get the run around and nothing ever happens. One complaint about a mini quad and the risk of it bursting into flames and not as advertised fell on death ears, yet a week latter I got an email from a buyer who's quad burst into flames, lucky nobody was hurt, yet when I sent this info to ebay I got the same old emails saying they will look into it. yea right! I no longer use ebay or PayPal as they don't care.
Posted by ebaysucks on 30/07/2008 7:32:07 PM
eBay launched a massive campaign telling people how safe it was to trade with them and how PayPal 'buyer protection' was being raised to $20,000. Many people would have taken these statements on face value. The EBS failure is proof that PayPal's so-called "buyer protection" is a complete myth. If PayPal offered real protection, it wouldn't need to set up a special fund to compensate buyers in this case. This exercise highlights that PayPal protection is illusory because there would undoubtedly be just as many more buyers who have purchased from smaller sellers, paid by PayPal and lost their money. The only difference being that their sad story didn't make media headlines because they dealt with a small rogue seller. This is not justice. PayPal is a defective product and consumers should NEVER use it.
Posted by Brad Peterson on 31/07/2008 2:25:27 PM
ebay should have recognised the problem and got rid of ebs. how many dollars are lost by hard working people to this type of activitySomeone has not done their job very well.
Posted by colfarrer on 1/08/2008 1:23:31 PM
i bought a minibike from ebs in may and was meant to recieve it at the end of june in their preorder scam. cant get any answer out of pay pal at all have loaded complaint which was instantly case closed and they wont respond to my emails.
Posted by jaybo on 17/08/2008 1:11:53 PM

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